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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:19:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:is cache scraping what evemon does when it 'sends market data from your eve installation cache to online endpoints'?
Yes
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:25:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:When will you be taking down your illegal Eve Market endpoint Steve?
lol
EMDR, by itself, is fine. As it does no scraping. It does takes data from clients (like evemon) which do the scraping, but it does no scraping itself.
What'd be a semi-workable solution, would be for CCP themselves to feed data into EMDR.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1295
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:30:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Warp to zero autopilot? You can do that manually by warping to zero and clicking autopilot in route to the gate so your ship jumps when it reaches the gate. Disable the autopilot as soon as you jump the gate and repeat.
So this is an offending action now?
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I was doing this before the jump option was added to the warp to gate features.
No. Having software that does it for you is an offending action.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
Handy tools and SDE conversions
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1295
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:32:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Uppsy Daisy wrote:When will you be taking down your illegal Eve Market endpoint Steve?
lol EMDR, by itself, is fine. As it does no scraping. It does takes data from clients (like evemon) which do the scraping, but it does no scraping itself. What'd be a semi-workable solution, would be for CCP themselves to feed data into EMDR. And you are happy to run for CSM pushing data that has all been obtained through officially banned means? Isn't that a bit laughable?
I'm not going to knee jerk take it down. What happened before the cache scraping became common was an uploaded based on manually exported market data (using the export button in client). I'd be surprised if that's not reimplemented, as an unified uploader feeder. It'll be a PITA, because it will massively impact the relevance of the data, but it's still possible.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
Handy tools and SDE conversions
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1295
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:40:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Mechaet wrote:
The cache scraping ban was unexpected, though. How are eve-central et al going to get their market data? I've configured my EveMon to not send in the market data now (and I assume any wise player will do the same). It kind of sucks that clarifications like these result in viable, useful third-party sites finding themselves in a position of being rules-lawyered out of being viable, especially after all those folks put in such massive effort to make something all of us players can use.
You've said that you're trying to lobby for getting Eve marketeers a feed they can use to get market data; did you consider putting a halt to cache scraping bans until you knew the outcome of that effort, or is it an instance where something bad out there is doing cache scraping (or using cache scraping to control something) and you need to act on it more immediately?
I want to clarify that the cache scraping ban isn't new. If you read the EULA, this isn't a new thing. It has never been allowed by the EULA. In regards to enforcement, we don't have plans. It's not at the top of our to-do list. It's simply a case of while it not being allowed by our EULA, it's at our discretion whether or not the effort to enforce it is worth it or not. Right now, we're focused on botting, RMT, client modification that impact other players. Sorry but that is rubbish. The EULA has always been completely vague. The nearest we have had previously was that cache scraping was legal. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=734561&page=1#9We have CCP Sreegs' *opinion* that he thought it should be illegal. You have just spelt out in plain language that it is illegal. This is the first time you have done this.
This. I'll be disabling my own uploads from Evemon, as we had been running under a 'It's ok to do' from a number of GMs. And I'd expect anyone else to do the same. (To clarify an earlier point, if there's no alternate uploader for EMDR made available, that will also be disabled.)
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1295
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:48:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Fade Toblack wrote:
Hell, let's take this further. On one hand, in the devblog you state that you'll never approve any piece of 3rd party software, meanwhile individual CCP staff are stating that people won't get banned for using EveMon - surely that's an endorsement of a particular piece of 3rd party software?
Do you think people should be banned for using EveMon?
What we're saying is:
You're giving us a very mixed message.
You're saying, in a posted policy document: Cache scaping is against the rules and can get you banned.
And you're saying, in a forum post: You won't get banned for using a specific cache scraper (the one built into Evemon)
That, by itself, is a /hideous/ thing to do to your customers.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
Handy tools and SDE conversions
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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